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uh so I'm going to talk about uh results

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and developments we have with two

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projects that relate to searching for et

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and uh extraterrestrial

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probes let us start first uh with a um

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mind experiment imagine

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if instead of searching uh or instead of

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w waiting and waiting for a UFO to hover

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over your head you could actually use

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some kind of technique to search for

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unidentified objects that are non-human

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and not only to do not only to do uh

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these searches but also in case you

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detect it directly get a spectrum in

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real time that would characterize it

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directly localize it in 3D so that you

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know where it is and directly validate

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it with multiple instruments so that you

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know that nothing here is wrong and

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imagine now that you could also do that

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and get rid of all human objects let's

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say satellit space debris and you know

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that that's not

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human I would be quite interested in

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experiment and I'm going to talk about a

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potential way how I can do that more or

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less uh in the second half of my talk

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when we are when we are planning to

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build a Global Network that permits us

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to um with help help of Widefield

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telescopes and high-speed cameras catch

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short flashes of light associated with u

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nonhuman objects either like Fast

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other kind of

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emissions and the point of all this is

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that you want to really minimize the

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number of false positives because uh

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scientists are sometimes a little lazy

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and you don't want to go through too

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data and um you can find a paper in the

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the brief where we describ the beginning

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of this project from in

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February where the goal is to detect

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localize verify and reproduce any

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finding in real time because once you

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see such a short flash you don't know

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when you're going to see it again and

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especially if you see multiple of them

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now you don't you might have to wait

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years until you find it and uh we're our

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goal is not to find the thing that can't

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be identified a goal is to search for a

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specific identifiable signature from an

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ET probe or non-human object or UFO or

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whatever you want to call it and which

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means that we are narrowing it down

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quite a lot um to a specific hyp

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hypothesis a such range is going to be

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up to 150 million kilometers from the

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earth and uh again this instant

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validation and instant Spectra and

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instant localization is going to be the

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most important bit and in this way we

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will get spatial resolution a Time

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resolution and a spectral resolution of

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any SC however before I'm going to tell

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you about the project I'm going to tell

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you about the history of why we want to

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way let's first think about the

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possibilities of life in the Milky

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but we we don't know if there is any

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other planet except for the Earth that

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has life but come on let's think about

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the numbers just in the Milky Way you

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have something like 200 to 300 billions

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of stars you know that 22% of every

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sunlike Star has an earth within the

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habitable zone now that is quite a lot

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and if you count on that you have about

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40 billions of earthlike planets just in

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the Milky Way where there might be

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asteroids and meteorites and it will be

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so exciting to see what the Osiris Rex

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uh samples are going to actually tell us

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when they become analyzed that's a

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fantastic project where they brought

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September so many of uh us are aware of

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the first search how the first searches

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for extra Trestle have been done the

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first generation searches of sa which

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has been the radio CTI uh many people

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associate CTI with an Institute but CTI

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is actually a field of research

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and where people have mostly been

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dedicated to these searches for their

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artificial radio signals one has been

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using the green Bank telescopes and one

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has searched H one is also using the

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Allen telescope array and one is doing

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that since the 1960s because this was

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et and I don't know how many of you are

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familiar with a movie contact where you

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have uh Dr Ellie arway searching for uh

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radio signals and she searches and she

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searches and finally she finds them and

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that's kind of uh what the movie is

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about I'm sad to say that in real

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searching so uh one has also done very

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beautiful uh searches for

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lasers and this is this is done in much

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smaller extent because this is

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relatively new because the time as tech

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technology develops you can do more and

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more things things and this has been

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done in the last years and thousands of

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stars have been surveyed not 300,000 but

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thousands and so far there's there is an

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optical desert no lasers have been found

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so far that should start getting us a

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right I engage personally also in

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searches so I was leading up or I'm

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leading a project called The Vanishing

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and appearing sources during a century

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of observation project where I wanted to

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find a star that vanishes imagine a star

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that is there in multiple images and you

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see it and you really know it's there

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and then one day it vanishes that would

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be a beautiful techn signature of some

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completely new physics and since

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2016 uh I worked with my team of about

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40 people with machine learning

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scientist and um astronomers and we

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searched for these Stars by comparing

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images from the 1950s to images to today

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we didn't find us us a star that really

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was there and vanish but we found a lot

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of weird weird trans we come back to

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that now there is something very

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beautiful about these place that we were

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using we were using photographic plates

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1950s for those of you who know uh uh

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how these photographic plates Works

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they're usually quite big Des serve a

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big part of the sky and there were very

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fine uh uh studies done at Mount Palomar

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for example in Le Observatory the

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can and one great advantage of these

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plays is that there were no satellites

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we humans have not yet contaminated the

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sky and airplanes are so easy to

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distinguish because you just get a

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streak so they are excellent for

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searching for et but you go back in time

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it's like a time machine to when your

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sky was uh before Elon Musk and

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Vanishing stars but comparing these

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like more or less today and uh we we

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analyzed terabytes of image data

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automatically and through a citizen

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science project that unfortunately I

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because I have some technical issues

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here but it was really a big work where

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we look through uh many objects like one

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by one and we found many short flashes

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that appear on one image and they don't

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appear again they were appearing very

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shortly briefly on these photographic

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nine of them in a small region of the

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space that appear and vanish within 50

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minutes because then we say as

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astronomers oh what on Earth is that the

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paper caused a lot of uh um astronomers

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get getting stressed over social media

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saying that they should not be citing

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the paper because of some sociological

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issues actually the same people who are

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usually are going for AI also went for

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me astronomers are bored sometimes and

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what happened here is that we see these

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that are scanning defects that we could

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there in one image and they're not there

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later and they were not there half an

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hour earlier they were not there 6 days

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later and they never appeared again and

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canaras and we searched for them with a

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nothing so we started thinking about all

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possible courses astrophysical courses

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typical brightness profiles that come

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instrumental issues uh and then some

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were turned out to be very unlikely and

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maybe you have some kind of plate

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defects it's just that these plate

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exactly like the stars and imitate the

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brightness profiles of the real stars

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star-like and not a mix of various

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he he or she

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asked how how do you know that it's not

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just somebody who sneezed on the

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plates and we could again we had to look

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at the images look at the size and we

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could show nobody sneezed on the

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plates we still had one more idea and

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photographic plates especially like

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x-ray images were sensitive to nuclear

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fallout from at bomb tests and that is

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and they could produce some kind of fog

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profiles and we we thought that this

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might have been an explanation so we

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checked with a uh official atomic bomb

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test in United States Unfortunately they

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were none that year and since I'm not a

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conspiracy theorist I went on

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further so um there is something that

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can actually produce these nine uh

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objects that we see and later don't see

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some emissions from something let's say

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no human objects there but this is a

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possibility and um we wrote about it and

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this started triggering my imagination

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because I of course want to know if

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there are more ways how one can test

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this possibility

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um this was the only thing we could come

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up with that actually worked um for the

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paper of course we couldn't write it

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that way one has to always write it very

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very conservatively if you want it

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published so I started thinking about

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what are the other ways of like

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predicting the signatures of these ET

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probes well multiple transients is one

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of them then you can have triple

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transients if you have a rotating dish I

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learned but also you can have transin

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along a line they don't have to be uh

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equally spaced they can have different

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kind of spacing and Depends all on the

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complexity of the geometry of this

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glinting objects but once you have these

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uh very flat and reflective

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surfaces you can simply have them along

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a line so we sent this to act

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astronautica we had two or three

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referees they were very happy with the

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hypothesis test perfect accepted and now

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I thought let's just carry it out so um

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this is just we we learned of course

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also I will just add as a parenthesis

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that if you have at least four of them

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then it becomes a very good signature of

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um that you have transients falling on a

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line uh associated with um um movement

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in the sky and in that way you can also

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even Clearly say that these are no plate

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defects as many people or some people I

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will say are going to say is a risk it

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is so did we find something well we

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actually did find some examples of these

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things and I'm going to show you the top

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two candidates we put them on archive

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last year one is from the 6th of August

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probability also and another the best

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example is from the 28th of July

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1952 um we will come back to this and

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you see here also this five things that

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are there and they just suddenly vanish

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so it's kind of becomes very fun now

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this paper I sent again to the journals

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and once you write that there is um some

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kind of uh if once you get a positive

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results the journals get nervous so it

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doesn't even go to review it doesn't

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matter that we carried out exactly the

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same hypothesis test that we already had

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published and we didn't deviate in any

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way from from the published plan this

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this paper has a like real issue even

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just getting to the review uh

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process so what are the implications

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well what I Tred to convey is that there

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is something some very unexplainable

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flashes that come in multiples in the

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old photographic plates that shouldn't

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be there and these are imp plates taken

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before 1957 a possibility that we see

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something artificial further out a

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possibility is that there is of course

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still something wrong with the plates

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but I think there's a lot of coincidence

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coinciden that us have to line up for

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such plate defects

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to both appear in multiples and always

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perfectly uh imitating the stars and at

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the same time being aligned in some

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cases and of course if it turns out um

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we actually estimated the surface number

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density uh of these objects you can

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always go to the archive paper now

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there's something more fun we have a new

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paper

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out and this makes it even harder for

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the so-called plate defect hypothesis

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because suddenly we have three very very

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bright stars that you can see there that

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are beautiful uh two overlaying and one

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here that are seen there on the 19th of

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July

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1952 and you look later and we actually

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looked both half an hour earlier and one

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month later and all this image we had

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and they weren't there now uh my

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colleagues were trying to see can we

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explain this in some ways in terms of

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gravitational lensing and they could

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possibly do it for particular case if

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they needed if they placed something

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that was um more or less a Milky Way

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super massive black hole causing it and

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not far from the earth and then you can

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do that and then once you have 80 of

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these examples you can start wondering a

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little um but um let's say we didn't get

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closer to an explanation with this paper

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but we really uh liked the very

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beautiful example that we found that

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gives even more weight to this multiple

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transients you can see see here is there

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in July 1952 it's not there in October

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91 you can see it in panar you can't see

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it in panar side not in ztf and then we

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used the world's largest optical

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telescope at 10.4 meter on La Palma our

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colleague did beautiful images in the

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red in the blue and we saw nothing

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there so uh uh we published a paper

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discreetly written and it got uh lots of

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like hundreds of thousand of views on

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various YouTube uh influencers channels

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they got very

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interested now there is just something I

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want to share a coincidence with

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you there's something very funny about

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the date that I didn't know about when

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we found the triple Transit another of

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my friends actually my media agent

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pointed out you know that date rings a

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bell so then I went back and I decided

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to take a look at the other candidate

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these aligned ones at the top candidates

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that we had because we had five

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candidates listed

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uh and we have still a problem that

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again it coincides very close to these

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Washington events and I'm going to say

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it's just a coincidence

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probably so that is why we now are

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trying to figure out how can we test

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these multiple

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transits and actually find out if these

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were coincidences or if this is a real

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phenomenon because I think it is a real

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phenomenon we have like too many

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examples but how can we test if this is

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related to for example uh Reflections or

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emissions associated with non- human

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objects this is the key question and

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that and that uh we can do and we have

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created a new project called EXO probe

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that I'm

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leading and I'm going to tell you about

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that because this is going to be

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completely new we have just started it

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and I'm going to argue again for why we

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should do it this way because I believe

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in that

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uh extraterrestrial probes are highly

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likely I think AI has been giving many

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arguments of why this is such a like

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realistic idea because we humans can

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send something to another star why

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shouldn't they be able to send something

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to us it's just natural think of Voyager

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think of pioneer and you have 40 billion

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Earth siiz planets just in the Milky Way

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and also nobody said that they have to

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be biological in origin you could even

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have some kind of AI and robotic little

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probes that are spread throughout the

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Galaxy and you can search for them we

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couldn't do these searches in the 60s

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because in the 60s they were talking

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about already like Radio City versus

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searching for probes but the technology

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wasn't there the technology to do these

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searches came with a development of the

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SEO sensors as you use in your mobile

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phone when one digitized the the old

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plate surveys or created new Sky surveys

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like in the last 10 or 15 years and that

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is when we developed the technology to

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actually search for et probes so now

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when we have it why not do

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it so I'm coming back to the again the

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global network of telescopes that we

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want to work on of course we're going to

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number so the idea here is that we I

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just to repeat it for those who maybe

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forgot is that we want to detect an an

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unidentified object we want to validate

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it directly from multiple telescopes we

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want to acquire a Spectra and see uh

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what is it is it different is it similar

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what are we actually seeing and we want

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to localize it because and if you have

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many telescope there's something very

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beautiful about all that you can

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localize it so accurately that you can

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go there and bring it

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down and that's something that would be

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very neat to do of course so I work on

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this um uh with several more scientists

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U primarily jof Marcy who is our

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exoplanet Pioneer and discovered the

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first like 75% of all the first

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exoplanets and also Brian Hill John gerz

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and there are two more people who are

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involved uh Alina stanka and U Stefan

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guer so we have a small team this time

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we're going to go for a very small team

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to uh work effectively and the goal is

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to find these short flashes Reflections

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or emissions associated with artificial

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objects and we're going to look for this

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very short like one second uh long

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transients because astronomers don't

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care about this uh parameter space they

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have been looking for transients like

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supernovas that are there for months

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they have been looking for things that

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are lasting for maybe hours but this 1

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second parameter space is almost

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entirely unsampled so of course it makes

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it interesting even from astrophysics

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point of view if you find some new

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phenomenon or if you find some Optical

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Afterglow of a gamma Reb burst it's

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there are lot of nice things that you

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can do here I I really like to explore

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new parameter spaces like when we were

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looking for Vanishing stars because you

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ter in cognit is just so incredibly

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fun and the goal is to detect validate

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localize characterize and finally if you

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find something bring it down to the

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Earth I'm not ashamed to say it so we

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started the project on the 1 of August

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so it's a very new and it's uh thanks to

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the support of a

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funer and I'm going to walk you through

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the process of how it's going to work

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so let's look here first we really need

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to select the appropriate

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instrumentation and you cannot use just

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any telescope of course of of any size

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because you need very good tracking on

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the mount you need very high Optical

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quality when you search for these transs

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and you also need a wide field of view

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so some people say oh why don't you use

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just an amateur telescope well of course

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the amateur telescope has Terri able

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Optical quality and also it's not going

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to uh fulfill any of your needs for the

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project and uh you really need that

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tracking and so and others are going to

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ask so why don't you use some

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professional telescope like the jwst or

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Nordic optical telescope and those of us

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who are astronomers know that it's

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incredibly difficult to get more than a

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few hours on any of these telescopes and

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moreover the field of you matters

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because like jwst has a very small field

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of view so if you're going to try to use

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any of those super telescopes you're

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going to end up with something like much

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fewer of transients that you can

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discover so you really need to balance

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it have a balance between the field of

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view the the depth you search for

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because you cannot use let's say mobile

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phones have a very big uh field of view

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but they don't have a very much of uh a

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depth so all that has to work we have

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selected that

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next in order to verify and localize a

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probe you need at least two telescopes

552
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and the more telescopes you have the

553
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more accurate you will have the location

554
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and you can detect this Flash in

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multiple synchronized telescopes and

556
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that's what we want and as they have a

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specific set distance that we have U

558
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carefully selected you will be able to

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measure the Parallax and say where how

560
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far the object is from us currently we

561
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use three OBS or currently we are uh

562
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planning three observatories I would

563
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rather say because I'm waiting for our

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main telescope that is much better than

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the other two uh we still need to think

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about how to upgrade these two uh the

567
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main telescope is going to be purchased

568
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the coming weeks we have already put in

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an order everything and now it goes

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through the administrative process of

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Stockholm

572
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University the the third thing we do in

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order to um make our life easier is that

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we skip everything inside the atmosphere

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off with the pigeons off with the um

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ducks and um um airplanes we don't want

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to do anything of that so we stayed

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outside atmosphere and not only that we

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try to in the initial phases we are

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going to try to stay uh even outside the

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orbits where we have most of the human

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satellites so we are actually probing

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the inner solar

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system uh we also have a very efficient

585
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method to filter away all human

586
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satellites and space debris in one go as

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we observe so uh this is something I'm

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very proud proud of I will hope I will

589
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be able to share and this technique I

590
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really like to like exploring new

591
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,960
techniques to get rid of satellites I

592
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can't help it this is an obsession of

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mine since the time we are going to use

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already existing uh techniques that also

595
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U my colleague joof Marcy has been

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developing where you can get real-time

597
00:25:53,230 --> 00:25:49,640
spectroscopy in a wide field and that is

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so that we directly can characterize the

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thing and of course the goal is to add

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more telescopes as I said

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um however it's a little bit uh there

602
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:03,919
are some practical challenges with it

603
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but that can allow us to increase the

604
00:26:09,630 --> 00:26:07,919
range of altitudes and the more

605
00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:09,640
combination you have of these telescopes

606
00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:11,880
where you measure to parallx the more

607
00:26:16,389 --> 00:26:15,000
better is going your localization in 3D

608
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:16,399
going to

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be and of course the most important if

610
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,440
the ET probe detection is

611
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successful let's activate the space

612
00:26:28,190 --> 00:26:25,760
garbage collectors I would hope to find

613
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some company that would like to help us

614
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:32,880
to bring down the probe and I'm yeah I

615
00:26:38,669 --> 00:26:35,440
wouldn't worry too much about the uh if

616
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:38,679
the probes agrees with me or not

617
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:41,600
so and I think it is it will be a

618
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:44,799
possibility to do so I developed this um

619
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program together with Dr marid as I

620
00:26:51,630 --> 00:26:49,399
mentioned who discovered the first 70

621
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out of 100 exoplanets and also received

622
00:26:55,470 --> 00:26:53,760
the sh prize that he shared with a Nobel

623
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Prize winner Michelle mayora for his

624
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,240
great um

625
00:27:02,830 --> 00:27:00,720
discoveries he's also the the creator of

626
00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:02,840
the Breakthrough listen uh

627
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,600
program and the Vasco team um that have

628
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,159
been working with me on the searches for

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transients and Vanishing stars as I

630
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,760
mentioned is a very uh uh is a theme of

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00:27:20,350 --> 00:27:16,320
40 people with diverse backgrounds and

632
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,360
we enjoy this work together here I had a

633
00:27:26,190 --> 00:27:22,640
very nice animation that I'm I'm afraid

634
00:27:29,070 --> 00:27:26,200
I cannot show here um somehow it doesn't

635
00:27:31,149 --> 00:27:29,080
work but where you would be able to see

636
00:27:33,710 --> 00:27:31,159
how a flash

637
00:27:35,549 --> 00:27:33,720
here uh how something is flashing and as

638
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,559
the globe is moving different telescopes

639
00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:37,840
are seeing everything and are detecting

640
00:27:41,950 --> 00:27:40,679
this Flash and uh of course those who

641
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:41,960
are interested can come and I can show

642
00:27:47,070 --> 00:27:45,480
you the animation later um and with that

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00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:47,080
I very much would like to thank you